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European Hokie Kokie « Posted: 10 December 2011 at 08:47 AM »
Well are we in or are we out?  - seems we are hanging by a thread

As one who never wanted to go into the EU I should be ecastic but I am not sure about the timing is it the best move we ever made or the mistake of a lifetime It appears to be one of those tightrope moments where we could say thank goodness as we watch the Euro disappear into extinction or find ourselves out on a limb with the Merkel/ Sarkozy union victorious.  I do believe it is the Merkel/Sarkosy show with lots of other bit players following like lambs I see Crotia has now been welcomed in how much bigger will it get?
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #1 Posted: 10 December 2011 at 10:31 AM »
I'm not in favour of the EU.,and fail to see why Merkel and Teacozy should be seen as somehow 'in charge'.
Lets face it anything that gives a job to that disaster Kinnock and the rest of his tribe can never be creditable.
The sooner we're allowed to govern ourselves rather than keep bowing and scraping to Brussels the better.
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #2 Posted: 10 December 2011 at 10:36 PM »
Hi fc .& old spice, I believe we are a long way from "out" but it is some thing that I wish could happen at some time or other, obviously I am nervous of the consequences of the latest dramatic occurrence but what I do think is whatever happens we will at some stage recover and start making our own decisions on the way forward and I feel fairly confident that it will have to be an improvement for us & them all round.

I do believe that the EU will need us just as much as we need them for trading together when all this dust has settled. The big shame as I see it is that if we can eventually make the brake it looks as if it is going to make for a sour taste in the way we will be leaving & thats a pity, France, Germany, Italy and all the countries of Europe have so much culture like our own but it ought to be their choice if they want the EU as it should be ours.
It may have been a totally different situation if our political leaders had been totally open from the outset & given the people of Britain a democratic choice. Whatever the out come of that choice I am sure that we would have accepted it and all would have been better in both Europe & Brittian.
I cannot be sure if that choice is ever going to be available to us.
     
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #3 Posted: 10 December 2011 at 10:42 PM »
From what I can gather, it is a classic case of politicians living in a world apart from how the common person wants them to act.  According to many news reports from differing sources, the normal working person in most European countries thinks it is a mistake to join closer together in the EU, and wishes their own politicians had the guts to to do what the UK has done.  Personally, I think it will be interesting to see what happens when Germany and France in the future start dictating to the others what fiscal policy should be, including an expected (from me) raise in taxes across the board. 
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #4 Posted: 10 December 2011 at 10:47 PM »
I believe we could build ourselves back up again, we managed before EU and as you say Aussie we can still trade with Europe and all other countries, we lost so much trade with the commowealth in favour of building up EU i didnt vote to go in the Common Market as it was then but I think the people that did vote yes thought it was mainly a trading situation never believed all their rights, culture and rules would be lost. Having listened to lots of news and views I am  ot at all sure we wont be out sooner rather than later

I totally agree JJ I think that Merkel/Sarkozy will be dictating to the rest and it may not be the joy ride they are expectinng I read that three quarters of the French population wish to be out of the Eurozone
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #5 Posted: 11 December 2011 at 09:18 PM »
Can any one imagine the French risking their wine trade to spite us, or come to that any European country not wanting a sales opportunity of 60/70 million people and cutting off trading with us which seem to be the worries of the Liberal democrats.
I hope that this is the chance many of us have been hoping for i just hope the EU can some how hold together their debt problems so that trading can continue.
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #6 Posted: 12 December 2011 at 09:45 AM »
The only reason Cameron applied his veto was for the short term appeasement of his mainly Eurosceptic party and his rich city backers. It had nothing to do with the long term interests of the UK. This move has bought him time. He fears that by signing up to treaty changes he will, during the lifetime of the coalition government, be forced to hold a referendum to ratify or otherwise those changes. He knows full well that there are many of the electorate who support the Eurosceptic viewpoint but is unsure of how many are pro Europe. In effect he does not trust the electorate to give him and his party the referendum backing he wants. This move has effectively made us the 'LEPER COLONY' of Europe, which in the long term will not be in the interests of this country.
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #7 Posted: 12 December 2011 at 03:08 PM »
Cameron is not the only PM who have been frightened to take  the issue's of Europe to the the electorate & not only Tory PM's. Well I firmly believe that it would we the best thing that could happen to Britain since sliced bread providing a fair & reasonable withdrawal could be negotiated so that bitterness is kept to a minimum.
Cannot you see that, if the French & German plan had gone through we would have been paying three times more than the rest of Europe (Put together) in taxes for financial transactions and that could in no way be acceptable.
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #8 Posted: 12 December 2011 at 03:23 PM »
i gather the right wing in holland want gilder back
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Re: European Hokie Kokie « Reply #9 Posted: 12 December 2011 at 04:25 PM »
Yes, I would have preferred to kept the Dutch Guilder ,
but as always, the common man (read woman) never asked for an opinion, the Euro was simply pushed down to our throats.

20 Years ago they made plans for all the European countries , to pay all with the Euro
It sounded so beautiful, but they did not look further into the future,
Economically weak countries were also added, the more countries there are, the stronger we would.

Now 20 years later they found out that there are countries (Southern Europe)
who always let it look better,... ​​better than it really was,
they are a financial disaster,... they have lived there as a God,
and now the money has suddenly disappeared , they are knocking on the door of the  other countries
and we can do savings to pay  their debts .

After the introduction of the euro everthing in Holland has become very expensive,
I did before shopping for 50 Gulden, now it is 50 Euro for the same, so everything is twice as expensive.

And no, our wages are not doubled, thats still the same as we had in the time we have used the Gulden.

I can be wrong but I think only one nation benefits from the Crissis in Europe
and that is America ,
the worse it goes with the euro, the better their economy is going up,
it would not surprise me that America is breaking the Euro.
It is America that gives and takes  the countries in Europe a Tripple A status,
And believe me , soon America take Germany  ( with the strongest economy in Europe ) off their status  too .....

and the Euro is past.

( This is my opinion in a discussion and you do not have to agree with me.
 my apologies for any spelling errors)
 
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