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Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder - I think! I think the A in the shop actually stands for Aspergers, which is a form of ADHD. My nephew was diagnosed it a few years ago, and we also have a few people volunteering in the shop with it.
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Its one of those new one s that we did not have when i was young.
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Implying that it has been made up? Shame on you!
ADHD has been recognised all over the world as a legitimate illness, much like ME has. Just because it wasn't recognised back in dark old ages (!) doesn't mean it didn't exist.
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I did not say that, though some would. In my form at school we had one fat child and one with asthma. Everyone else had a cold at some point.
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What we used to refer to as naughty children many years ago. We have a disorder for everything nowadays - I'm not saying that is a bad thing though. It just seems that any form of non-standard behaviour has a disorder attached to it I wonder how many people appearing in the riot courts will use that as their defence.
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What annoys me is that by giving it a syndrome name or a long set of initials, somehow gets used as an excuse for it.
Oh we must accept that child is naughty because he has ADHDADDHHDDA, and therefore we should let him get away with it.
Just because the behaviour now has a name doesn't make it acceptable or excusable behaviour.
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Back in the olden days kids were called naughty, and punished. Nowadays, doctors have recognised that they have a medical condition that means their chemical balance inside their body is 'out of whack', and therefore their behaviour is actually the result of a difference in the way their brain functions from 'normal' people. To punish someone for having an incorrect chemical body balance seems a little harsh to me. ADHD is often treated with medication, and this helps put right this inbalance.
Throughout history, we have punished those who act in a way differently to what we think is 'right'. This is normally down to fear of the unknown, we don't understand the reasons for the difference in behaviour. We cannot think of a reason, and so it is easy simply to place blame rather than think about the issue. AIDS is a set of initials, and to start with there was blame attached to those who had it - they had 'done wrong'. Exactly the same attitude, and exactly the same WRONG response.
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I agree with juststu and frankie on this one. The change in the way children are treated has caused all kinds of problems. Children are not allowed out in the fresh air to get excercise.
I dont agree that children were punished for being ill and yes we were all naughty at some point. At least physical punishment is a thing of the past, but i think its gone to far the other way.
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Actually JJ you are quite wrong Aspergers has nothing to do with ADHD
ADHD is a REAL disorder which can cause behaviour that is deemed naughty however not every child with the ADHD diagnosis has it. In my opinion it is often over diagnosed and many children with that label are simply children who have been brought up without boundaries in dysfunctional family situaion. ADHD is not a made up mental health problem but and heres the BUT parents of children who are formally diagnosed with ADHD get extra benefits lthough it does mean the child will be on horrible and heavy medication which in the states I believe is termed a chemical cosh it basically sedates the child who is calmer but loses I think their very spirit. Real ADHD can be handled without medication but it can be very hard and stressful as the child has to be trained to behave differently to how their brain is wired up, for want of a better way of putting it.
Aspergers on the other hand is on the Autistic spectrum again a very real problem children and many adults can live and work in an almost 'normal' way and you may know people with Aspergers they are often the loner who doesnt actually get the joke, very black and white thinkers who simply cant think laterally, maybe obsessive about a hobby or work, dont have the same ability to socialise, not very good at relationships dont get things in the average way and it can be from very mild to severe
this has been put very simply but look them up to learn more can be very interesting
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I used to have attention deficit disorder as a child for a while - I was miraculously cured one day, shortly after getting a clip round the ear by my dad as I recall.
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I believe ADHD can be very hard to diagnose Andre hence the reason I believe it is often over diagnosed because parenting, home life, living environment all play a part but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
As for Aspergers there is such a variation from mild to severe that I bet there are many people you know who have a mild form of Aspergers
Unfortunately Frankie contrary to your beliefs a clip round the ear wont cure ADHD any more than a girlfriend will cure being gay if your brain is wired differently to norm then physical punishment isnt going to help anyone
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Just to clarify two points;
The shop in question now open supports those with Aspergers,
and FC was right, I was getting the two mixed up. Would have said this before, but have been out all evening. I still stand by what I said though, that these are real ailments and not made up.
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My brothers first son was said to have ADHD !
NO
It was found out that the drink 'Coke' was causing his symptoms which in him "mimicked" the 'illness of ADHA'
Dean now knows how to eat and drink 'proper' foods and drinks and is now has six A level results
where as at the early school periods he would have F and D marks.
Diet and junk food ?
I say no more.
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i believe a lot of people have got on the dand wagon of ADHD because lack orf parenting skills,i like to bet a najority of those riouters parents are going to blame ADHD for their odious offspring.
ADHD can be diagnosed by brain scan the effected bit of brain will show that it working slowly....A scan is very unlikely to be done unless other criteria is met
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Nikki in some children it can definately be a lack of parenting skills, junk food, die,t colouring in sweets etc but for some children and adults it just isnt that, and there is a definate diagnosis. I didnt really believe it until I saw a very wel brought up child with parents with excellent parenting skills and good healthy diet affected and it is VERY obvious when a child is genuinely affected they really do not want to behave as they do, but their impulse mechanism is totally out of sink, they appear to be being disobedient, but they are pulled into action by their brains instincts in just the same way as someone could faint from a phobia completely out of their control. Talking to adults who have ADHD they recognise how unhappy they were always having to do somethig they didnt want to do knowing the consequences but having no ability to stop. We are now mre clued up about things like Tourettes again a compulsion completely against the persons will. its very unfortunate that because of the benefit system a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon and had their naughty child statemented
I m not sure about the scan thing SD never knew about that but i ll look it up
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My eldest grandson has Aspergers.He is 9yrs old and the effect it has had on my daughter and us has been very challenging.He is very bright and almost obsessive about things he is interested in but we all worry about his social skills.Its very hard on his younger brother as he dosnt understand why his brother wont always play with him like a normal brother would.My eldest g son dosnt have friends in the normal sense he is very dismissive of people and quite often in his own little world.We have all as a family shed a lot of tears over this beautiful child who didnt ask to be different and we worry about how he will cope with life as he grows up.
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if you give child ritalin and it works then it adhd.that area of brain is working very slowly maybe brain damage, diet, poisen.alternativly if you give someone in coma zolpidin(sleeping sedative)it slows that part of brain down and hopefully thay start regain consioumess,all depends what is causing it and to extent it effects you.
that is how they make ultimate diagnosis of ADHD,they may go on to do scan if ritalin had no effect.If ritalin enables them to live normal life then like most illness you treat it.True ADHD is not as common as people think.
yes margaret autism is horrible thing and with most things like this it hard on other sibs
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SD it isnt that easy ritilin is an awful drug to be giving a child and many children are on it that neednt be
Margret I feel for you Aspergers can be so difficult as the child seems and looks so normal and yet they have a tough old time and are often the one left out or marked for ridicule they are not streetwise and in with the crowd and have a great deal of difficulty mixin. I hope he finds a niche to be comfortable in when he is older They are often the guys who work from home and in computers or design as they can be obsessive and precise Good luck to him and your family
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thankyou funky and sd for your posts.Yes my grandson looks normal and he is such a good looking boy.we are lucky really because he does give us plenty of eye contact and he is very loving with cuddles and kissess.When he was 2-3yrs old he could read all the street names in Pakefield and he was obsessed with traffic lights,he would point out any difference that we hadnt noticed the same with train line gates.The thing that causes most concern is as he gets older he might get bullied at school for being different He is such a gentle little boy but we do know several other children with differculties so maybe the other children will just accept the different ones.
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Lets hope so Margaret one of my friends children has Autism and Aspergers a clever lad, my grand kids totally accept him and get on well with him although they are well aware he is different and sometimes will discuss his actions with their mum after seeing him he can be very comical without realising it he is 12 now and just gone up to high school so far it seems to be going well he is allowed to go and sit in a quiet room if he feels agitated and has a helper, he reads everything he can get his hands on but not good at writing anything down
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it awful drug if not got adhd.wheather they take it or not it used as diagnostic tool if take it and adhd you will know quickly.If child is able to function normal life then it up to family.if you want difinitive diagnonsis then you need to do it.if dont want one and just presume it adhd then that up to you.
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Not that simple SD, I truely believe many doctors including ADHD specialists still over diagnose often on the insistance of a parent who cant manage.
Ritilin doesnt just give the child a chance of a 'normal' life it flattens everything out so it may seem that the child is acting in a more 'normal' manner and the tantrums and compulsion may be helped or die down, but at what costs,- older children who can verbalise often says they feel like zombies, feel ill on it, feel drugged, sleepy and often once they get the chance when they are old enough they take themselves off it. Although I am sure it can be very useful if horrible in some cases
In US disruptive children are not allowed into schools unless they are on Ritilin or one of the substitute medications
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ADHD is a very contagious decease but very selective one, it is endemic in Australia and it has spread to the UK in the last fifteen years or so.
Places like Tottenham, Manchester & Birmingham have more than their fair share, it is particularly prone to football supporters but for some odd reason it doesn’t seem effect cricketing youngsters in fact they are almost immune.
To recognise this complaint just take any youngster not to the doctors but to any do-gooder and they will spot it instantly.
Hope is at hand and an historical cure has been rediscovered and that is,
Give them a bloody good hiding.
The cure is almost instantaneous.
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I will concede of coarse that a very few in number of children have problems which are directly connected with a brain or mental problems effecting their well being in families but as I have read in these post's most of us recognise that a huge number of children have this or did have this diagnosed, and it makes me annoyed.
I just have to retell my experience with my Australian grandson.
He took some six or eight tablets every morning before school and believe you me he was like a zombie all day I used to hate just to see him like it, every evening he was super active with unbelievable bad behaviour
I took him for two weeks caravanning on condition that he would not have to take tablets, he knew that with me I would not tollerate bad behaviour. He took a bit of handling at first but by the end of our camping he had readjusted to no tablets and we had a great time fishing etc. When we were back at my Daughters he went back on tablets and transformed to a Zombie through the day & hyper rank bad behaviour at night
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A complete reduction in fizzy drinks and foods crammed with additional E-number additives, coupled with some sensible interaction with the child and a modicum of responsible parenting would reduce the number of SUSPECTED cases considerably.
I can't believe that this thread was started by someone asking "What is ADHD?"
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Freelance, if you read this topic from the start you will see that it was split from the 'Opening & Closing' topic which had been taken completely off-topic by the subject which was referred to in the previous post (which I did not move to here) by the question which is now the subject (OP) of this topic. There had been 10 consecutive posts on the subject and my explanation for splitting the topic is given in this and the other one (See reply #10 in this).
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Of course I read it all.
So now the first post in a topic ... (this one- entitled "What is ADHD?") is no longer the first post.
How strange!
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read my last post fc.i stated ADHD is not as common as people think.TRUE adhd IS MOST UNCOMMON,but if you want difinative diagnosis then you try ritalin,if it works you got it if it dont then you have not...Up to parent then what they do after diagnosis...If they dont want difinative diagnosis then dont take it.
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Freelance, I'm afraid it was not possible to split one post (the original one which referred to ADHD) in two and it was more appropriate to leave Jolly Jape's post in the O&C topic. However I see no problem with starting a topic with a question. That to me is not strange. If someone wants to know what something is then they ask a question and if necessary they start a new topic to do so and I found it necessary to do this split so the other topic could get back on course. There were enough replies at the time - and there have been quite a lot since on the subject.
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if you want difinative diagnosis then you try ritalin,if it works you got it if it dont then you have not
This is where i dont agree with you SD they dont use Ritilin as a diagnosis tool it can have similar effects on a child without ADHD and just isnt used that was ADHD is diagnose by questions and observation of the childs behaviour only
No single test can diagnose a child as having ADHD. Instead, a licensed health professional needs to gather information about the child, and his or her behavior and environment. A family may want to first talk with the child's pediatrician. Some pediatricians can assess the child themselves, but many will refer the family to a mental health specialist with experience in childhood mental disorders such as ADHD. The pediatrician or mental health specialist will first try to rule out other possibilities for the symptoms. For example, certain situations, events, or health conditions may cause temporary behaviors in a child that seem like ADHD.
Between them, the referring pediatrician and specialist will determine if a child:
Is experiencing undetected seizures that could be associated with other medical conditions
Has a middle ear infection that is causing hearing problems
Has any undetected hearing or vision problems
Has any medical problems that affect thinking and behavior
Has any learning disabilities
Has anxiety or depression, or other psychiatric problems that might cause ADHD-like symptoms
Has been affected by a significant and sudden change, such as the death of a family member, a divorce, or parent's job loss.
A specialist will also check school and medical records for clues, to see if the child's home or school settings appear unusually stressful or disrupted, and gather information from the child's parents and teachers. Coaches, babysitters, and other adults who know the child well also may be consulted.
The specialist also will ask:
Are the behaviors excessive and long-term, and do they affect all aspects of the child's life?
Do they happen more often in this child compared with the child's peers?
Are the behaviors a continuous problem or a response to a temporary situation?
Do the behaviors occur in several settings or only in one place, such as the playground, classroom, or home?
The specialist pays close attention to the child's behavior during different situations. Some situations are highly structured, some have less structure. Others would require the child to keep paying attention. Most children with ADHD are better able to control their behaviors in situations where they are getting individual attention and when they are free to focus on enjoyable activities. These types of situations are less important in the assessment. A child also may be evaluated to see how he or she acts in social situations, and may be given tests of intellectual ability and academic achievement to see if he or she has a learning disability.
Finally, if after gathering all this information the child meets the criteria for ADHD, he or she will be diagnosed with the disorder.
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However I see no problem with starting a topic with a question. That to me is not strange.
Who suggested that? Certainly not me.
We are at cross purposes here - so let's forget it.
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Seems to me you are being pedantic. It was all explained in the posts I made when I split the Opening & Closing topic. Perhaps you didn't read them both (one in each topic).
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It was quite clear to me.
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Thank you Malcolm.
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Being a newcomer to this site it seems to me that it is very easy for a "sub-thread" to develop which on occasions can even be more interesting than the initial thread (I would not class this sub-thread as one of those). It seems a better idea to split sub-threads and make a new discussion of it than tell people to get back on topic and lose out on a good discussion.
I asked the original question because i didn't know what ADHD was and lots of people have an interest in the subject - both positive and negative. I think commencing a new thread was the right thing to do.
I now know what it is and what might help those with it and that many kids are mis-diagnosed with it. In fact, I am now a more knowledgeable person.
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Me being pedantic ?
You completely misunderstood that I could not believe anyone did not know what ADHD was.
Also I thought it strange that the first post in a new topic - which this one became when you split it - could not be described as the first post. Why make an issue of that? There was no need for two further explanations of why and how you split it up.
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Thats the problem. You could not understand why anyone would not know what ADHD meant.
Lack of understanding maybe?
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Before this topic goes any further off-topic I would just like to say that nobody can know everything, so why Freelance thought that everyone knows what ADHD is I fail to understand. Does FL know what DAVF is without looking it up? A condition of which I am fully familiar with, and of which one of its rare variations has affected my life for over twelve years. I was not familiar with the term ADHD before it was raised on here. Why should I have been, I don't profess to know everything?
Responses to my question should start a new topic 'What is DAVF?'
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No i hadnt come across DAVF until I ave now looked it up
In answer to Frankie ADD ( Attention Deficient Disorder) is the same as ADHD but as it became more readily diagnosed they added the title Hyperactivity into it
I think you also have to take into account that not only parents but schools get extra payment for having children with this condition so it pays everyone except the poor child who not only has a lable for life but is put onto brain changing very nasty medication
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1 in 10 US kids has ADHD, study finds
Increase in diagnoses due to more awareness, rise of cases in minority and poor children.
Nearly one in 10 children in the United States is being diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, according to a new government study.
That’s an increase of more than 2 percent in ADHD diagnoses compared to a decade ago, researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported today.
The new findings don’t necessarily mean that more kids are developing ADHD, said the study’s lead author Dr. Lara Akinbami, a medical officer at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics.
“This change is reflected in numerous national data sets,” Akinbami explained. “It’s robust and real. But we can’t say whether it’s a true increase in prevalence or just better detection.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44190936/ns/health-childrens_health/#.Tk17z7KF8r4
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