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People want to believe in them, that's why they can - & do.
Sadly no defining proof for all the 'Doubting Thomases' out there.
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ITHINK: Roswell,some place in wiltshire Rendlesham forest,Brazil and various othe places in South america.
Stephen Hawkins do not poo poo it he says dont encourage them...When they did the Seti experiment an scientist heard something which was not natural and first thing he said was WOW and that has become known as the WOW experiment.
it would be incredably arrogent think we the only ones.A good book to read is Timmothy Good called 'Beyond top secret'
they say if a human can concieve of something then it logical it happens,although that is contencious just one of many different philophers opinions.
my uncle was colonel in u.s.a airforce when he was in the airforce and anyone asked him he go nuts not talk about it,but when he retired he ok to talk to and he said there were many things he saw up in sky that could not be accounted for,when asked if goverment knew he would not comit himself to say anything.It is thought the president is going to announce something before summer is over
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every sci-fi fan since the 60s has read of the Star Trek non-interference directive, which does make sense, so if there really are 'visitors' we'd be a bit arrogant to expect to want to make contact rather than observe.
We're fascinated with the pyramids and ancient civilisations like the Incas - even time team shows how interested we are in what our ancestors did. It's easy to think that people from somewhere else would find us interesting, even if just because of the crazy things we do to each other?
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prime directive paual...we assume all life comes from carbon star dust but some could come from silicon then be cery different..
i was watching documentary today and said take there 100.000 stars in just our area of milky way with planets and only one planet per star had life then thats 1000 planets that could be like us.They did experiment sent alot of brillient mathmaticians different codes the princple being the product of two primary numbers,not one was able to see this,so on that basis then other life may well have tried contact just we dont understand it
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i was confronted by pond life today,and if ufo green man met it he would turn left at juipter and keep going...
apparently the first radio waves from earth have left our solor system,so if you were green man and getting episodes of eastenders coronation street would you want to come here...
there a group of ufo spotters that meet at pakefield cliff once a month i saw them once had a chat and they reakon lots of ufo in this area.I have seen odd things up there but what who knows i sure it not green men
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UFOs definitelty exist as they are just flying objects the observer cannot identify, but that doesn't make them aliens.
Had to smile at this in relation to the thread title; being myself a normal 'non expert' birder it happens quite a lot when feathered things fly over giving only brief views!
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The book about the Rendlesham Forest incident (You Can't Tell the People) is pretty convincing as the UFO actually landed and was witnessed by lots of people including the USAF base commander. That doesn't mean the people/beings that landed were aliens though - they could have been our time-travelling descendants. If time travel is ever invented it will probably be under US military control and if they wanted to test the theory it would be foolhardy to go into the future if you can't be sure there is one. The ideal destination would be the past and what better place than one of your own secure military bases?
On the other hand, if time travel had been invented we would be visited all the time. There would be a future relation of Richard Branson doing high-priced trips to see the dinosaurs, tsunamis and other historical events.
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'worlds and divers of worlds' somewhere in the good book
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the theary of time travel is there it even been done one millianth of nano second with some elctron.apparently if time travel should work then it has to be done in the sky for obvious reasons..when you can not sleep i learn from latenight radio and documentary tv but i rather be able to sleep....
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If they were time travellers wouldn't they have gone back to their present and then returned later so there would be no witnesses and no Rendelasham Forest incident? But that wouldn't negate the fact that they were here and we saw them?
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prime directive dont meddle with the past.
time travel has to be done in sky or if do it on earth end up traveling into a brick wall or becoming one with brick wall.All ponderables and human race needs them keep our vivid imaginations going,without imagination there no progress
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But if they travelled back to their time and returned to Rendelsham later when no one was about that would have meant the first visit didn't happen as they made that trip later so no one would have seen them. After all if they were from the future they would have read about the Rendelsham incident in their past and then decided not to cause it?
But surely that would cause a massive rip in the space-time continuum and we would all cease to exist.
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Ah but did we - thats the million dollar question I believe people 'see' images from their own brains. I believe ghosts ufos etc are images stored inside the viewers own brain I don't mean imagination but real images
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I would suggest, in reply to Frankie's question - if two or more people see the same thing independently - that what they see is undoubtedly a 'man made object' that they cannot 'identify'. I don't think that extraterrestial beings have EVER visited our planet. Such speculation is akin to religion - the human mind conjures up such things because it wants to believe in 'something', be it a supernatural 'god' or an intelligent extraterrestial visitor. The human brain tries to make some sort of sense in what it perceives, seeing faces in clouds, faces/shapes in the backgrounds of photographs etc., - it sees what it wants to see. The eye doesn't even always see everything, even if it is there!! - I recently went on a 'driver awareness course' (when I was caught speeding!!) - during this course they played a video of a group of people passing a ball to each other and the twenty or so people attending were asked to count the number of times the ball was passed from person to person. At the end of the video they were asked if they saw anything unusual that happened - only one person said that someone dressed in a gorilla costume walked through the scene , beat his chest and walked off the scene (this eagle eyed person was a teenager). They replayed the video and - yes! this did happen, yet 19 or so people (including myself) didn't see it.!!!! I am still trying to get my head round as to why I didn't notice this, as I regard myself as a very observant person. What this proves in relation to this topic, I don't know but it least it illustrates the point that what we see or don't see is open to question. I furthermore tend to think that what people see and describe as being a particular shape - triangular, square. round, cylindrical etc., is because the mind is 'tuned' to see something that fits those basic forms - this may even change during the period of time they are observing something they cannot fathom out. It could even have something to do with what they are looking through at the time - an aircraft window, car window etc., which can distort what they are looking at. (it has been proved that some 'object' reported (and photographed) as being seen from an aircraft window was actually part of the aircraft wing distorted by imperfections/curves in the glass). On a recent TV programme I watched, it was proven that people, when subjected to strong magnetic fields (under experimental/laboratory conditions), would hallucinate and describe afterwards 'seeing things/events' that were similar to those who claim to have seen UFOs/been 'abducted by aliens' and all sorts of wierd things. Atmospheric conditions, solar flares, even 'man made' electrical/magnetic conditions may have some bearing on what people 'see' or 'claim to see'!! I'm still waiting to see my first UFO!! - I do have some odd dreams sometimes though!!
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I have an Australian friend who believes in ghost's she came over & stayed at my sons house in Beccles. Now my sons house has a reputation for having a ghost in it and whoa and behold who saw the Ghost? Well of coarse my Aussie friend who else.
I have slept in that room many many timesand have come to the conclusion that the Ghost is scared out of his wit's when I'm about. Who wouldn't be.
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part of me thinks it all exist other times i dont,but that sense of mystery dont want loose that...i have seen table tapping and the glass going round but i think that can be explained somethings can not be explained,i certainly love stay night in haunted house.Para psycology still in its early days lets hope that little sense of mystery remains
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I have exactly the same view point as Robbie I think there is always a explanation and i think some people are much more receptive to their imagination than others. For instance a person can hear a noise in an old house, one person will think 'the wind is blowing those branches against the tree a lot tonight, (practical) another would think theres a ghost tapping and proceed and enhance those thoughts until it becomes completely real in their mind (creative)
Interesting illustration of the observation test Robbie i ve done a number of psychological tests in various trainigs over the years and they are awaysl very interesting
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intresting guy is nick pope,was liberal mp up to year or so back.He the guy OF b.u.fo.a...By his own admission he says lots of goverment disinfomation,he also had access to all this stuff with 30yr rule.He says it all exists his evidence was when he worked at Whithall.You have to hear or read up on what he has to says,it very enlightning and gives food for thought
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Interesting article in the Press yesterday:
Rendlesham Incident: US commander speaks for the first time about the 'Suffolk UFO'
The senior US military official who led the investigation into the supposed landing of a UFO in a Suffolk forest has spoken of the incident for the first time in three decades.
The incident had been known as Britain's Roswell: a group of American servicemen stationed in Suffolk go into a forest to investigate mysterious lights and emerge convinced they have seen an alien spacecraft.
The sightings, in December 1980, remain unexplained and have become the country's most tantalising and enduring UFO riddle.
One of those involved even claimed to have touched an alien spacecraft.
Now, the man who led the only investigation into the “Rendlesham Forest Incident” has spoken about the sightings - but his decision to end thirty years of silence is unlikely to please the UFO-believers as he suggests his men could have been hoaxed.
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Regarding the human mind 'seeing' what it wants to see! Why are so called 'religious visions' mostly seen by, in the main, young devout members of the Catholic faith?. Whilst on a coach tour of the Irish Republic, quite a few years ago, I visited the little village of Knock (it was not of my choosing - being part of the itinerary!!). Many years ago some children claimed they had seen a vision of 'the Holy Mother' and her entourage!! From that day onwards the place became a Holy shrine with Catholics from all over the world making pilgrimages. The small church has effigies erected on one of the walls depicting what the children claim to have seen and a large area (complete with an equally large car park) dedicated to all the other paraphernalia associated with such places. The village street consists of a dozen or so cottages all of which have been converted into shops which sell all sorts of 'cheap' religious souvenirs. The site for the nearby Shannon airport, it is said, was chosen specifically to serve this place of pilgrimage. Being an out and out cynic I often wonder if these places are deliberately set up to feed the monetary demands of the Catholic Church!! As for claims of 'miracle cures' etc., being associated with such places then I think they are part and parcel of the same sort of 'mind conditioning'.
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The UFO sceptics will always come up with weird and wonderful suggestions to explain "sightings" and conspiracy theorist will always come up with a reason as to why a person who obviously discovered something then covers it up. I think we just have to agree that some things cannot be explained.
I certainly do not go with the theory that a bunch of highly trained air force men could be fooled into thinking that the light from a lighthouse which shines every night is actually a UFO.
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Lighthouses!!!!!! When serving on a Royal Navy destroyer in the Far East (1958) we were heading through the Indonesian island area en route to Singapore. The Indonesians at that time weren't too friendly, so our senior officers were 'on the lookout for possible trouble'. We were called to action stations when a fast approaching aircraft was detected on radar only to be relaxed after a short period of time. A rather embarrassed navigating officer had made a simple miscalculation when estimating the speed of this 'aircraft' !!! It turned out to be a solitary lighthouse, miles out from the nearest land!!!!
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I certainly do not go with the theory that a bunch of highly trained air force men could be fooled into thinking that the light from a lighthouse which shines every night is actually a UFO.
Quote from the same article: “One of those involved even claimed to have touched an alien spacecraft.” That’s from one of this “bunch of highly trained air force men”.
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Frankie, you are actually illustrating the point you believe, so it is. and thats fine each to his own but I m like Robbie here I believe it is all in peoples minds
I ve done it myself whilst working nights something moves thats not expected and the old stories of the haunted ward flood in and spook you I rememder a lift going up on its own once no one admitted to pressing a button and everyone was totally spooked and it has gone down in history of that building as a haunting but in the ld light of day I m sure someone inadvertatly lent on a button
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I wasn't actually saying I'm a believer - just pointing out the rubbish excuses that firm non-believers come up with. You should read the book before you judge though FC, it is interesting because it is local and quite compelling evidence whether true or not. There are definitely UFO's around but only because they've not been identified yet - nobody can say they are aliens just because we don't know what the thing is. I'm sure various governments of the world have lots of secret stuff up there that they don't want us to know about. Has anybody ever heard any more about the Aurora project?
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Because FC, if you had read the book I don't believe that you would have this opinion:
Frankie, you are actually illustrating the point you believe, so it is. and thats fine each to his own but I m like Robbie here I believe it is all in peoples minds
It is quite obvious from it that a whole bunch of people definitely all saw exactly the same thing. What that thing was is debatable but I believe they all saw it and I think that if you truly believe that any UFO sighting is simply in the viewer's mind you are making a big blinkered generalism. A UFO is simply something in the sky that we can't identify, I'm sure most sensible people will keep an open mind as to what it was but a few cranks will insist it is aliens.
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Well thats is where you are wrong Frankie it is quite posible to read a book and still not believe something There are many phenomens in life and many psycological theories about mass sightings, mass hysteria and mass anything.
I have never felt there aren't unexlained things happening in life (every day) but I do believe there is always an explanation even if we dont know or understand it. i dont believe there are space ships landing in fields and I dont believe there are little green men eyeing us up. I am sure we are not the only planet with life on it but I dont think the many sightings that have spawned the idea that we are being 'visited' by aliens is any more true than the photos of those fairies down the bottom of the garden all those years ago, or crop circles which are so cleverly done by humans however that doesnt make me any less sensible than you.
Because i dont believe in spaceships doesnt mean I have a closed mind it means I have looked into it read about them and made my decision I have a close family member who is an expert on UFO s gives lectures etc so its certainly not through lack of information
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I don't believe in little green men or spaceships landing either FC, I think I said that the info in the book was compelling not actuality.
The point I was making in my last post was that i don't agree with you that if 20 people across a town report seeing something in the sky that they can't identify (a UFO therefore) you can't generalise that they were seeing something in their mind, filling in gaps or however you want to describe it. I remember seeing Concorde fly very low over Oulton Broad many years ago and it only appeared out of a cloud for a few seconds before disappearing again. Lots of other people saw it and we weren't imagining things.
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I didnt think for one minute that you were imaging things Frankie but it is very well known that peoples thoughts and ideas can very easily be transfered to others I do believe one person can believe they saw something which triggers off images in others. Thats how mass hysteria can happen
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The swimming baths. I'm not sure what else is in there as when I lived in the area it was a totally different building that was only built around 1960.
The alien is one of 100 figures all the same spaced out over a three by one kilometre stretch of the beach by Anthony Gormley the person who produced the Angel of the North. They were also featured on one of the BBC Coast programs.
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i still stick by reading Tim Good and Nick Pope theymay well change your mind..
I open minded would still like to think there mystery in life,i know what i have experienced and can be explained both for and against.
They did experiment in strongly catholics countries what we percieve as ufo they would see as the virgin mary or some saint but when the person moves to the west they then percieve it as ufo.
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What were you drinking last night BB? - Some 'alien' brew?
If that's what they call apple & blackcurrant squash, yes!
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Apple and Blackcurrant squash!! You should never mix your drinks BB!!!!!
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Apple and Blackcurrant squash!! You should never mix your drinks BB!!!!!
I didn't mix it Robbie, it was pre-mixed in the bottle! I only diluted it with water ONLY.
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An Oyster 575
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