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Should the Gt Yarmouth Council now open up the roads that was closed on the seafront and along to the end to the river mouth now that the new outer harbour is not a cargo/ferry port any more?
I see no reason to keep them shut as it is no longer going to be a busy port and there will not be the amount of traffic generated that was originally intended.
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It's not public highway anymore. Even if it was, you can't have the public driving through a port like that. It's just too dangerous and a security nightmare.
The outer harbour is still a port. The fencing wasn't put up for any specific cargo, but to secure the port and prevent the public being at risk from the ports operations.
Also, the road doesn't go anywhere so what is along there that you can't get to anymore?
What other ports can the public drive through as they wish?
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I told my girlfriend I had a job in a bowling alley. She said 'Tenpin?' I said, 'No, permanent.'
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boating_jo
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While the port was being built the roads were still open, why can it not be put back to how it was? No-one is asking to drive around the port but to be able to use the old road that was.
The Port will no longer have the operations expected at the time of the closure, it won't be busy enough and there are no large cranes any more, the river was never closed to traffic because of the ships in harbour when they built the first array of windfarms.
Lowestoft's Port has fencing around but the roads are still open
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paulears
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The outer harbour port area extends over and beyond where the old road ran, so no the public road is on private land. No different to where the old east west roads got chopped off in kirkley between the fen and carlton road - the land the road was on was landscaped and is no longer a public highway.
Years ago the public could drive into the Lowestoft docks from many entrances, and straight down and onto the old extension. Then the fences went up and access was controlled.
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What other ports can the public drive through as they wish?
Is Wells a port? It's all on the main road isn't it? I'm not saying I disagree with your view on GY, just answering your question on a port you can drive through. I have one near me called Glasson dock.
I used to take the kids for a drive along the seafront at GY and then stop near the harbour mouth at the ice cream van. you have to drive round the other way now but no hardship.
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JustStu
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I think that's part of the problem with GY. Locals seem to think they own the town and the port. Almost as if they feel they should be asked permission before any changes are made. Not sure if that's just specific to GY or to most towns.
It seems everyone wants changes to make towns better or more profitable, but they want it doing without any changes. 
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paulears
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If you owned a piece of land with expensive and even dangerous equipment, piles of stock and easily sellable items, would you leave them conveniently for any thief to drive up the road, load the truck and drive off?. Would you leave a large acreage of nice flat caravan friendly land with sea views open to people to drive on and maybe stay for a while, in an area where they were out of the locals way and not be a big problem?
Ever been to Southampton? - the roads there go through the port area, but high fences and barbed wire are everywhere, and as you get near the actual water, big burly security people and security boxes with glass windows on the main exits. It's private land, but the roads are very busy - but need protecting. A dock with no ships and no traffic to speak of is very exposed.
The bit of road we're talking about doesn't serve a purpose - the diversion is SHORTER. So we're not talking about the loss of a road, we're talking about the loss of the view from it!
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boating_jo
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Stu & paulears: You are going way over the top in even considering Great Yarmouth's outer Harbour/Port is any comparison in both size (acreage), size of ships accommodated, type of ships accomodated at the GY Port and the amount of staff to run the Port and the amount of traffic from the Port with any other working Port with high security mentioned. It is a tiny port in comparison
...and yes, I have been to Southampton, Plymouth, Harwich, Felixstowe & Portsmouth Ports to name but a few of many more.
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paulears
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Don't agree - sorry. The thing being discussed is that the old road was closed because they built a port area 'over it'. It's a road to nowhere, closing it had no impact on the community because as I said - the diversion is shorter - the only people who used it stopped on the very tip to watch the boats. This area is now private property. It's a big empty space, which the owners do not wish to make a public area. Of course it's tiny - nobody disagrees with that, but there was still a public road going through it, and now there isn't - inconveniencing who? half a dozen cars who park up to watch the waves? The road never led anywhere, it was a scenic route.
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boating_jo
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the only people who used it stopped on the very tip to watch the boats.
Is there something wrong with people wanting to watch the boats? The road had been there for many many years for people to do just that. I have photos from the 50's showing people doing just that. Gorleston side of the piers used to be open until it was closed because it needed money spending on it.
inconveniencing who? half a dozen cars who park up to watch the waves? The road never led anywhere, it was a scenic route.
More than half a dozen cars? it was always packed up that end with parked cars ... and a scenic route? yes....so why should it be lost?
The Port was a great idea, shame the infrastructure wasn't put into place first, but now the original purpose of the build is no longer in existence then I still think the road should be re-instated back for the "sightseers"
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JustStu
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but now the original purpose of the build is no longer in existence then I still think the road should be re-instated back for the "sightseers"
The original purpose of the build was to construct a deep water port. That is still there, so the reason the road was closed is still in place.
If people want to watch the ships coming into port they can watch from Gorleston Pier.
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Im not sure what the port gets used for now the cranes have gone but 'elf n safetee' rules and regs would rule out a return to public use of those roads. I travelled along those roads just before they were closed and it was obvious why they had to be closed because they ran right through the middle of the new port between where the good would be unloaded and the offices and warehouses west of the road where all the port import/export admin etc... would be done.
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