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There is a big campaign by Rospa, The Electrical Safety Council and other to have socket covers band.
Please look at the information on the linked website and inform anyone you know with small children or who use socket covers.
* British 13 Amp sockets have built in automatic shutters to protect against children poking things in them.
First introduced more than 60 years ago, they are considered the safest in the world and do not require external covers.
* No responsible national body recommends using socket covers.
That includes the UK Government, RoSPA, Ofsted, Child Accident Prevention Trust and Electrical Safety Council.
* Sockets are made to accept plugs which meet very exact requirements. Anything which is not a standard plug MUST be made to the same dimensions as required for plugs. No socket covers which meet those dimensions are available!
* Socket covers introduce a variety of dangers; they make sockets less safe, not more.
See the website for further information
http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/index.html
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back on socket covers.'mother care.use to and may still do include them when selling electrical stuff
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paulears
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I was about to poo poo this, but in fact, the videos clearly show that kids can pull them out, the gaps really are there and if they break that easily, then they should be banned.
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Can't poke things into them? Try telling that to Val Barlow - and that was less than 60 yers ago 
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my son put odd pen in socket an as kid i shoved my finger in one.so i cant see problem
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How do you mean? as in you got a shock and didn't die, or you didn't get your finger in far enough?
The reality is that they're only dangerous, if they break, or kids deliberately stick a paper clip or other metal item in the gap. Pretty unlikely of course, but the point, I think, is that the risk is higher WITH the plug in protector than without - making them pointless.
I know thousands of adaptors that were brought into the country were scrapped when somebody discovered the plug could be put in upside down, opening the shutters - I just don't think anybody thought about this!
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Sorry but there was no such thing around when my kids were growing up whats wrong with teaching them that they never touch a socket and keeping an eye on them I told my kids 'no' as soon as they started crawling towards them then when they got a bit older I told them why, in terms they understood, they were hot and would hurt them if they touched them, and they never did Its the same as knives and scissors I showed them early on how to carry them and how to be very careful with them and then supervised them, it worked for me.
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ah... but funkchick, these rules are for those who don't think like us... they're for the type of people who live in high rise flats and let young kids play on the balconies. We have to have rules, no doubt balcony doors will now have to be changed so that only the top halves open. Knives cut, electricity shocks, weights crush and water drowns - but modern kids must be isolated from these kind of hazards. Sad, isn't it?
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i checked it dave and it changes most time norwich but i seen peterbo more than once.i had answer this on this thread cos taken so long open other thread which mods can check.maybe malcolm me doing something wrong but all know my name logs in but unable open threads cos take so long
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malcolm
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I sell lots of socket covers but agree by putting them in you are opening the gate to the power supply. It would normally take a lot of dexterity to open the earth gate and then gai access to the power points. I think this would be beyond a young child.
Any older plug tops without sleeves should be replaced with new safer one s. I mention this as a follow on.
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I really wish I understand Snowdrop's posts - but sadly they might as well be in Russian - I'd understand them just as well! The one above looks like something has gone wrong and removed many of the words leaving just random text?
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Paul SD is dyslexic you will get familiar with her style after a while
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Sd is a very inteligent lady.Take time to read her posts Paul, they do make a lot of sence.
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thank you malcolm as you are intelegent man.the mod should see difficulty i had and having now getting on.this 2nd attempt.ok paul when it is poss and i on computer next time i try put it in janet and john russian maybe clever man like you show me how..i am having same problems as malcolm and it making it hard post.takes ages if at all to get threads so have use threads that will open this one has.the mods see difficulty i hope
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excuse spelling i on A39 doing 60 everyone sleeping an i whittling few hrs.i defy you paul do better on phone and not smart one either..some people just SA's..
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Aussie K
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The only socket cover that I am glad to have on is the one on the exterior wall & that thankfully keep out the rain, with this weather I don't even need that one on.
Fc we may all teach our children to keep their hand away from the plugs and fire, and yes they do learn quickly but I have in my rooms as many as sixteen fixed plugs and behind the teli & the computer many more on extensions. Keeping an eye on children 100% is an impossible task and you will know this, but thankfully electricity is so much safer today with the trip switch box.
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Has anyone seen the new Dyson fans that have no blades-you can put your hand right through them-very expensive 3-400$!
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I've seen the photos not actually seen one first-hand. I'm still trying to work out exactly how they work!
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HAHA Meg the vision in my mind- you coulld walk round with it on your neck keeping your face cool
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I had an email last year from Dyson promoting them. They have been out for about a year now. This is from the email I received last July.
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getting back to subject why are socket covers dangerous.missed a post somewhere and getting link to long..cover must b safer than child putting crayon in socket.
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Frankiesays said "Can't poke things into them? Try telling that to Val Barlow - and that was less than 60 yers ago"
As any real Corrie fan knows, Val Barlow died because she tried to fix a faulty plug on her hair dryer. She knew she had not done a decent job but tried to use it anyway and was electrocuted when she put the plug in. That is a good (although fictional) example of why you should never put anything into a socket which is not a proper plug in good working order.
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Thats funny Mautby. 
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keiths
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Sockets are safer WITHOUT socket covers...
Acording to
RoSPA,
Ofsted,
Child Accident Prevention Trust and
Electrical Safety Council (The NICEIC's Charity ... Electricians version of Gas Safe)
Also
the IET, The Engineers and scientists that write the wiring regulations.
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Thanks for the correction Mautby. I remember seeing that particular episode as a child but incorrectly thought she had pushed the wires into the socket with match sticks. Never a good idea!
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you said who thinks they dangerous but not why.so val went out with bang then maybe she had socket cover she still be in dreay soap...ok not crayon down socket just some small metal object.what dangerous about them...they must thought good idea in first place
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I hadn't seen the video...... Shocking (and that wasn't meant to be a pun!!)
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I recon three pin plugs are quite safe. well at least I hope so be cause I took a count in my two bed bungalow and counted 83 of them, repeat eighty three. That was a quick count and I am sure a few more could come to light with a thorough check, at least 20 of them are on short extensions and in banks of three or more and they are fitted to walls. It seams quite extraordinary.
I cannot afford to have plug covers it would break me.
Can ant one beat that
PS. I have not counted the garage, shed & outside wall.
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83 plugs is a lot. Could you now please, for the sake of all who were impressed by that, tell us the 83 things they power?
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Thats a heck of a lot I ve got 42 and its a bigggg ole house
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I believe from memory that the average room in any house uses 10 sockets. That means that 40 sockets would be the minimum. This of course naturally includes 4way extension leads etc. I have 24 in my living room alone!
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Well I wasnt including any extensions I was just counting wall sockets if we are counting extentions then I could propably add another 10 on. Each of my rooms has four wall sockets are you saying the average house has 4 rooms ? seems a small house
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83 plugs is a lot. Could you now please, for the sake of all who were impressed by that, tell us the 83 things they power?
Or better still, for safety's sake are they all fitted with the correct fuse? 
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FC, the typical house used to be a 'two up two down'; I lived in one in Ipswich a few years ago. Bedroom, bathroom, living room, kitchen. Many others are spoiled as they have larger houses than this. Regarding kitchens, I believe nowadays that new houses are built with 10 sockets in each kitchen due to the amount of appliances used. I'm sure I heard somewhere about new(ish) legislation about this, but cant remember the details.
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thanks mauby,that was intresting much of which i no had clue about...Now what about night light,they often flat look the same as socket covers,i wonder if they are dangerous.i have ask ROSPA.it all rather frightning
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I dont see it as being spoiled to have more than a 2 up 2 down
Ive only got 6 sockets in my kitchen and 2 of them I forgot to count in my main count up of 42 so 44 now
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I SURPOSE SAME APLYS TO EXTENTION WIRES I HAVE ONE WITH SIX SOCKETS,RED LIGHT COMES ON WHEN IN USE
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Table 8B of Appendix 8 of the Wiring Regs On Site guide says the following.
Minimum number of twin (double) socket-outlets to be provided in dwellings (house)... This only applies to new build or if your doing a major renovation.
Medium rooms 12 - 25m2 (They do also list Smaller and larger rooms in the table)
Living Room 6
Dining Room 4
Single Bedroom 3
Double Bedroom 4
Study 5
Utility Room 4
Kitchen 8
Garage 3
Conservatory 4
Hallway 2
Loft 2
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So by looking at this, a basic 2-up 2-down new house would have a minimum of 36 sockets - not including extension leads! It's amazing to realise just how many electrical appliances we have nowadays, compared to 25 years ago for example.
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Lived in a typical 1930s semi back in the early/mid 80s. The living room only had one double socket-terrible. I think the bedrooms were the same. Shows how much we plug in nowadays compared to back then.
When we built our house 5 yrs ago (in the US) the rule was at least a double socket every 6ft in every room. (lovely!) We also have 2 TV cable outlets in the living room and master bedroom, plus 1 each in the other bedrooms, study and gym. So much more convient now.
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I tried to make certain when I designed & self built my retirement bungalow that I would have sufficient plugs to put my equipment any where in rooms to suit my requirements, so in four of my rooms I put Two double socks in each corner It cost little more than if I had put one in each corner Other plug were fitted for equipment needing plugs where they would be operating such as fridge cooker dish washer etc. I have never regretted it for one moment.
I have counted fourteen pieces of equipment in the lounge and thirteen appliances etc in the kitchen which need plugs so you don't have to continually keep pulling one out just to use a kettle etc.
Some plugs are behind wardrobes & dresser & of coarse many are not used.
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The 8 recommended in a kitchen does not include under counter items such as..
Dishwasher
Washing Machine / Tumble Dryer
Fridge
Freezer
All these are normally supplied via a spur controlled single socket
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Eileen when I moved into my first house I had no electricity and no gas, I had for lighting three parafin lamps and for cooking a coal fired oven and a primus stove.
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When we lived in Halstead,Essex our elderly neighbor still had paraffin lamps and a coal fired oven.She baked the most delicious pastries and pies!My other neighbor and I and the elderly lady had tea together each weekday -taking turns.Her relatives finally persuaded her to move into a flat for elderly people and I don't think she was ever happy there.
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I've got 10 just for the computer desk in my study and I still need a 4-way plug board on one of them.
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Ive got three for my computer area computer, printer anf BT no wonder you guys are all needing so much electricity 2 for tv and dvd and one spare for lamp I m a simple gal
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can I lead in to a diversion, I have not learn,t the art of harnessing wires behind electronic gear, I really mean behind the telly and behind the computer, Every now & again I tidy them up as best I can put them that can be in some form of harnesses but you have long leads, short leads, thick leads, thin leads, stiff leads etc. Am I the only one to be feel untidy.
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Behind the TV, certainly not.
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I've often thought of getting one of those curly cable tidy things to tidy it up behind the computer desk but periodically i have to do something with one of the leads or move the router of something. I would be forever taking it all apart and doing it up again. I think I hiding it and forgetting it is the best thing.
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I too have thought about it and never got round to it yes mine are a bit unsightly too Mind you I had a fire inspection recently and he said although they could have looked better they were not a danger
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Haven't read whole thread but modern sockets are safe enough imo. Covers ok in 60's 70's non-gated sockets. I had friends who stuck wires in the old 2 pin sockets and survived. Big spark/flash at worst when both pins short cct-ed but not earthed thro or across themselves. Old wiring is more dangerous than boys with screwdrivers;-) Old wires start Fires....
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