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I know language is always changing and evolving but lately I ve noticed a number of words being pronounced differently and wonder where these changes come from its not a geographical thing as they are all heard on news programmes
Is it a generational thing?
When did yog urt become yo gurt
Bo dacia is now Bu da ka
are monds are now al monds
Che noble is now Che nobble
Have you noticed any?
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malcolm
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I think they discovered that Budaka is the more likley pronounciation with the hard k rather than the softer c.
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malcolm
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Also Ykeni rather than Yceni
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CybertraxUK
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I think this relates back to an older post on here, regarding the differences in pronounciation between America and England.
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Dont really see how as they are ALL British pronounciations heard on British radio or TV and none are American
You dont need to play if you dont wish Cybertrax
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I think they discovered that Budaka is the more likley pronounciation with the hard k rather than the softer c.
But who is they? and when and where did the changes come from indeed where did the soft c in Bodecia or Iceni come from in the first place
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I think that thus the “soft c” in “Boadicea” - was possibly was due to a mistranslation and therefore mispronunciation of her name Boudicca (Boo-dik-a).
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I noticed last year on a BBC programme broadcast about the 'Himalayas' how the pronunciation of that had changed; I have always heard it pronounced as the 'Him-a-layers' and have always used that pronunciation. On the BBC programme the word was pronounced the 'Him-arliers'.
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“The word Himalaya is of Sanskrit origin and means "abode of snow" (Sanskrit him "snow", and aalaya "home, abode"). In its Hindi/Sanskrit pronunciation, Himalaya is pronounced with a long first a and a short last a, i.e. as /himaal-ya/.”
Source: “Inopedia” - http://www.indopedia.org/index.php?title=Himalayas
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Mel
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I don't disbelieve you Trigger but I have only ever heard them (in this country anyway) called the 'Him-a-layers'.
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English words are influenced by American .. even to the extent of English programmes adopting American spelling and pronunciation.
Regarding Boudica specifically wikipedia suggests this is a reversion from a miss-translation from the original Tacitus which was re-examined and corrected ( possibly corrected as late as the 20th century )
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malcolm
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Australia is also influencing speech. My wife i notice has started going up a note at the end of words or sentences and if asking a question. Younger girls do this also and i thinks its the influence of Australian soaps.
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i agree with joanna malcolm we were stuck in watching all the ozzy soaps when our kids were babies
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I don't disbelieve you Trigger but I have only ever heard them (in this country anyway) called the 'Him-a-layers'.
I've heard it quite a lot on travel / nature programmes!
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funkychick
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Mel I'm with you it sounds quite wrong pronouncing in that new way
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funkychick
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just heard this one on the radio
who- mus is now hum- us
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Well, as the George Gershwin song (words by his brother Ira) says:
“You say ee-ther and I say eye-ther,
You say nee-ther and I say ny-ther.”
“You like potato and I like po-tah-to”
“You like tomato and I like to-mah-to."
Language is always changing - as does pronunciation. 
And is it scone to rhyme with stone
Or scone to rhyme with “gone”?
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funkychick
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Oh yes I know Trigger but makes it interesting to check these changes out
I think George gerswin song is a vey simple US/ UK translation much more complex when its within the same geographical area
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“You like potato and I like po-tah-to”
The only time I've ever keard potato pronounced ptar-toe is in that song.
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ptar-toe? Is the "p" silent as in "bath"? 
I don’t think I’ve ever heard pronounced as “po-tah-to” - it must be a lyricist’s pronunciation!
Digressing ever-so slightly - and because this is from the words (by Lorenz Hart) from a song called “Zip” (from the musical “Pal Joey”)
“English people don’t say clerk, they say clark,
Anyone who says clark is a jark!”
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Po tar too a good Suffolk pronounciation,Tatty in Norfolk,it's wonderful to hear the difference between counties,it's a shame that local accents and pronounciations are begining to die out
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A phrase that I often heard some five/ten years ago - but haven’t heard for some time - popped up again today:
“Would you like to see the Menu at all?”
Why the “at all” at the end? It serves no purpose. “Would you like to see the Menu” is all that is required.
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for me it people that say 'AT THE END OF THE DAY'OR BASICALLY.JUST SAY 'ULIMATLY' OOPS GONE INTO CAPITALS.BETTER CLEAN KEY BORD. I HATE SAY THIS BUT NORFOLK SUFFOLK CORNWALL DEVON ALL SOUND SAME I CAN NOT TELL DIFFERENCE.I GOT WELL TOLD OFF WHEN SAID THIS TO NORFOLK MAN.MAYBE TONE DEAF
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And the other no-no is: "At this moment in time" - err, does that mean "now"? In other words - "why say one word when you can use five?"
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I think to those not used to suffolk and norfolk dialects can confuse it with south west country however suffolk and norfolk are quite different and north suffolk is very different from south suffolk
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CybertraxUK
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And the other no-no is: "At this moment in time" - err, does that mean "now"?
It is an abbreviation.
Long hand, it is, "At this moment in time ...... but this may change at a later time and date". Useful for if you don't want to commit 100% to something, you reserve the right to change your mind without looking foolish. It is a bit like saying, "At this moment in time we have no plans to place ground troops in Libya" (but this may change at a later time and date).
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It is an abbreviation.
Long hand, it is, "At this moment in time ...... but this may change at a later time and date". Useful for if you don't want to commit 100% to something, you reserve the right to change your mind without looking foolish. It is a bit like saying, "At this moment in time we have no plans to place ground troops in Libya" (but this may change at a later time and date).
Thanks for that - obviously a very useful phrase for politicians!
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they call it diplomacy we call it lying like bu88ery
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Snowdrop: The fact that the different dialects all sound the same to you is basically because, you’re not listening to them closely enough! You listen to what the speaker is saying - not how they are “saying” the words.
Maybe tone deaf? Maybe, but (and I’ll stick my neck out here!) unlikely.
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The heading for this topic is incorrect.
There is no such word as 'pronounciation'
The correct spelling is PRONUNCIATION.
I've noticed that some commentators are using American ways of saying certain words that to me are specially annoying. e.g. prog- ress for pro-gress, lev-er for lever (as well as lev-erage for leverage).
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A Scot who owns a little bit of Lowestoft
Education is what you get when you read the fine print - Experience is what you get when you don't!!
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Toot ten car men has changed to toot ten carMOON
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oops thats me robbie it quicker.and i rather crappy speller have you noticed
nick a teen (nicotine...well it is late i be 4given.)
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The tall hoodied youth (although it could have been female - it's increasingly difficult to tell these days!) standing in front of me in a shop, handed the assistant an item and said "Emmachisit?" The young assistant looked puzzled, the hoodied youth then muttered "Wadacos?". The assistant scanned the item - and told it the price.
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My mum told me she had heard a new pork and cheese shop had opened, she was looking forward to a visit until she disovered she'd mis-heard.
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I see the killer in Norway is a Christian, seeing your name made me think of that piece of information
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I think it is interesting how the welcome in Suffolk is 'Are yer alright' with the sentence becoming higher in tone at the end. When I first moved away from the town, some people thought I was Australian. As all statements I seemed to make rose at the end such as 'Do you want a cup of tea? which had my new work colleagues rolling around the floor laughing!
My sister has now moved to Australia and her girls have picked up the Australian accent really easily.
Now I have lived away for several years I can hear the similarities myself. 'As a rum ole do, I can tell yer'
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Meryl
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The heading for this topic is incorrect.
There is no such word as 'pronounciation'
The correct spelling is PRONUNCIATION.
We like Snowdrop, so we give her the benefit of the doubt Robbie!!
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It was actually Funkychick who started the topic and spelt it wrongly Meryl haha
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ahh thanks robbie but what i do wrong to b given benifit of doubt.if we talking spellin etc i say fair cop i cr8p i pronounce and spell the same..lundener mate an proud.
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i can only get a few post back so i taking calulated guess on subject.i using my phone and it not good
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no get post 32 maybe just aswel but think my unique use of english.
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For me, the most infuriating mispronunciations today would have to be:
lars-snite, and the smorning
Gourd 'elp us....
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I didn't think there was a single word in Lowestoft that ended with ..ing. You need to take the G off and replace the I with a U
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