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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #10 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 11:41 AM »

Sadly DAB radio is totally separate and is not in the same frequency band as TV signals - TV is UHF and DAB is VHF, so reception is unlikely to get much better - it's also in a bit of the spectrum shared with other services, so turning the power up would work for the radio listeners but bring others services to a standstill.

License wise - BBC i-player make it very clear that you DO need a license to watch on-line.
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #11 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 12:20 PM »

If digital radio isn't available in some areas those areas should pay a reduced licence fee.  Yes, I know, haha, good luck with that one.

But the BBC iPlayer issue is very confused, almost as confused as if you want a security cctv camera on your house entrance or car when they're on the public highway.  However those AREN'T the issue here!

Not sure who said BBC iPlayer was free, (Dave possibly?), but this website suggests unless you're viewing simultaniously or near as damnit with live transmission you don't need a licence - yet!  My interest in iPlayer would be purely as catchup, which this site (& others) says is free - for now.

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_tv_progs/tvlicence

 
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #12 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 12:55 PM »

Terms and conditions are very clear.

3.2      How you may NOT use BBC iPlayer

 

3.2.1    If you are outside of the UK

 

You may not watch or download BBC Content using BBC iPlayer if you are outside of the UK, although you may listen to some (but not all) BBC radio content if you are outside of the UK. The types of BBC radio content that may be available outside of the UK will depend on the BBC's agreements with the persons who own rights in such content.         

 

3.2.2    If you do not have a valid television licence
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #13 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 01:26 PM »

Paul, You need to incorporate the whole of the T&C 3.2.2,  as how it looks in your post is somewhat misleading as

3.2.2    If you do not have a valid television licence

 You may not watch television programmes using BBC iPlayer on any device (including mobile phones, laptops and personal computers) at the same time (or virtually the same time) as the programmes are being broadcast, simulcast or otherwise made available to members of the public on television unless you have a valid television licence. For more information on this requirement please see Do I need a TV licence to watch programmes on BBC iPlayer? or you can contact TV Licensing by calling 0870 241 5590 or by visiting www.tvlicensing.co.uk/.   



The quote below is from the highlighted link in the above T&C.

Do I need a TV licence to watch programmes on BBC iPlayer?

Catch-up

You do not need a television licence to catch-up on television programmes in BBC iPlayer, only when you watch or record at the same time (or virtually the same time) as it is being broadcast or otherwise distributed to the public. In BBC iPlayer, this is through the Watch Live simulcast option.

Anyone in the UK watching or recording television as it's being broadcast or simulcast on any device - including mobiles, laptops and PCs - must, by law, be covered by a valid TV licence.

A 'live' TV programme is a programme, which is watched or recorded at the same time (or virtually the same time) as it is being broadcast or otherwise distributed to members of the public. As a general rule, if a person is watching a programme on a computer or other device at the same time as it is being shown on TV then the programme is 'live'. This is sometimes known as simulcasting.

The majority of UK households will already be covered by an existing television licence for their main TV set.
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #14 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 01:55 PM »

The only good thing about the switching off of analogue & the increasing of the power of digital is that here in Kirkley we may then be able to get digital radio. 

I'd love to get BBC Radio 7.  Radio 4 is good most of the time but it's a bit much late at night when you want a good play or comedy to relax to to instead of all those foreign news programmes.

I get digital radio in Kirkley Joe, as does my Dad Radio 7 is fine,  sure its not the radio?
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #15 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 01:59 PM »

How on earth can they police if you watch at the same time or afterwards?
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #16 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 02:46 PM »

Just wondered what is the digital signal for freeview like in the Kirkley area?
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #17 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 04:01 PM »

Well mines fine Jules as I say there are a few stations I get a message 'low signal' but thats probably 3-4 stations out of however many there are on FV
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #18 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 04:31 PM »

That's useful info about catchup - I didn't know that - ta!

The days of there being a Government investigation service for TV - remember the big yellow vans with swinging roof racks? - are long gone. Far cheaper is to use voters roll compared against license holder data. Find a house with no license, and it's worth a check - eventually. The old vans could detect what channel you were watching but that doesn't work now houses are full of electronics using different technology.

Re the radio - it's most annoying that digital radio is fine at my house, just TV that's the problem.
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Re: Analogue TV switch-off dates « Reply #19 Posted: 12 January 2011 at 04:48 PM »

I guess if the TVLRO checkers do decide to check someone out and they don't have a TV in the house they must reserve the right to check any computer equipment and they probably have the ability to check if there is some 'tell-tale' data stored on the hard drive indicating what was watched and when.  Obviously if it was shown as a download file it wouldn't matter, as that would come under the 'catch-up' heading. However if it showed as a streamed file it could probably be checked to see if it coincided with actual transmission time.   I suppose that would be the only way of policing it other than catching the person in the act of actually watching something 'live' when they called.
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