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Please Help « Posted: 28 November 2009 at 11:06 AM »

 hello
I am writing a book about my child hood year and where I grow up and I would like some
help please. I was told years ago there was a tunnel from st maraget's church to the beach. I cannot find anything about it I went to the St mareget's church web site but there wasnt anything about it there.
So could any one help me out please? At the moment I am living in spain so the internet is my only means of getting information.
I would be greatfull of any information if there are any books I can get them once we have moved back to england.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #1 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 11:18 AM »

Hi Nick B

I don't think the tunnel exists..

1, There was no need for one to the beach over such a long distance?

2, Geologically there is no record.

It may be that the church building had/has undergound extensions as many buildings of this period had.

It'll be news to me if a long tunnel was built.

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Re: Please Help « Reply #2 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 11:26 AM »

Thanks Prof for your help
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Re: Please Help « Reply #3 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 11:44 AM »

If any tunnels had exicted they would have found them when they cut the railway line through.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #4 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 11:53 AM »

If any tunnels had exicted they would have found them when they cut the railway line through.

They may have found them and blocked them up?

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Re: Please Help « Reply #5 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 11:58 AM »

There are also many tales of smugglers' tunnels from various addresses on the High Street to St. Margaret's church.  But when you think of the effort involved in the construction of such a long tunnel, compared to the ease of the smugglers simply landing their cargos further up the shore, it's unlikely they were ever built.  

A pity, as the idea of smugglers' tunnels does have a certain appeal!
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Re: Please Help « Reply #6 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 12:05 PM »

A great tourist attraction if it (they) existed. A magnificent feat of engineering.

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Re: Please Help « Reply #7 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 01:22 PM »

There are ancient cellars under a lot pf house in High Steet which I think gave rise to tales of a means of tunnels There has also long been talk of tunnels for religious persecution and a means of bringing contrabrand into the town  but No prove that I ve heard of
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Re: Please Help « Reply #8 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 01:29 PM »

i was told that there a tunnel from  church in the liverpool area to the Mersey,on the site of the roman catholic catherdal.parts of it were found a few years ago.could you be thinking of that one
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Re: Please Help « Reply #9 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 01:39 PM »

I  had always heard there was a tunnel from St.Margaret's Church to the High Street and it dated from Oliver Cromwell's time.I think Joe did a lot of research but never found any truth in this.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #10 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 02:38 PM »

I did a little research, Meg. But noteable lowestoft historians such as Ivan Bunn have done much more extensive first hand research, & also come up with nothing.

Doesn't Gary have a tunnel from his house to St Margaret's church! Cheesy
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Re: Please Help « Reply #11 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 04:37 PM »

If it helps at all (!) when I lived in a block of flats in the High St, the cellar looked pretty old and was where all our electric meters were stored.  There were several junctions off the main hallway of the cellar which ended abruptly, and I did think at the time they could have been old tunnels blocked off. 
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Re: Please Help « Reply #12 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 04:58 PM »

that would be a good tourist attraction if there were tunnels here
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Re: Please Help « Reply #13 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 05:11 PM »

could it also be you thinking of windmills on broads they changed their sails for smugglers to see
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Re: Please Help « Reply #14 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 07:09 PM »

I did a little research, Meg. But noteable lowestoft historians such as Ivan Bunn have done much more extensive first hand research, & also come up with nothing.

Doesn't Gary have a tunnel from his house to St Margaret's church! Cheesy

No, my tunnel goes into the M & S food department, very handy! Grin

That particular tunnel was rumoured to go from The Swan Inn (atop Swan Score, now Mariners Score) and was also rumoured to have been dug by Cromwell himself.
But since Cromwell had taken over the town at the time, why would he have needed to build tunnels for smuggling or otherwise?
There is no evidence whatsoever to support that any such tunnels have ever existed.

All of the cellars that I have seen in the High Street (including my own) are quite strange in the way they are designed and in many there seem to be more than one entrance/exit blocked off. Some of these actually appear to line up with other houses in the High Street! It is also rumoured that much of the Northern end of the High Street was built across an old monastery and given that many of the cellars resemble crypts and cloisters, this is how all the rumours started. There are also quite a few people over the years that claim to have seen ghostly apparitions of monks, which all adds to the intrigue of the entire area and still fuels the "Tunnels" speculation even to this day - SPOOKY! Smiley
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Re: Please Help « Reply #15 Posted: 28 November 2009 at 07:30 PM »

Quite a handy tunnel gary evil6 , if you extended under the bridge you would not have to wait in the queue and you could charge people to use it!

Quite spooky i am glad i do not have a cellar!
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Re: Please Help « Reply #16 Posted: 29 November 2009 at 09:55 AM »

Thank you all for your help about the tunnel if there was one? but doesnt it make a good story which leaves you think and wounder what we are walking over.
Hope I hope that I havent given you all to much of a head ache? over this.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #17 Posted: 29 November 2009 at 10:08 AM »

No NickB its good fun remembering over stuff we may not have talked about for a while Good luck with the book hope you tell us all when its finished hello
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Re: Please Help « Reply #18 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:01 AM »

Quite a handy tunnel gary evil6 , if you extended under the bridge you would not have to wait in the queue and you could charge people to use it!

There are already two tunnels under the river, although they aren't particularly glamorous, and a lot of steps the climb to get in and out.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #19 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:04 AM »

I only know of the one maintenance tunnel. 


I still like the idea of finding secret tunnels or rooms in the old cellars - used to love reading of the Famous Five finding all kinds of hidden things in old houses!!  I hasten to add I was a bit younger then!!!
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Re: Please Help « Reply #20 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 12:47 PM »

I know of 3 tunnels in LT and 3 in YH.

The most impressive one by a mile is Anglia Water in YH.

Don't think they open it to public though.

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Re: Please Help « Reply #21 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 02:44 PM »

Three in Lowestoft? Now I'm intrigued.
One is next to the bascule bridge, which is the largest and owned by Anglian Water.
One is a bit further along the river which carries electricity cables. (and last time I heard was totally flooded)
Where is the third prof?
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Re: Please Help « Reply #22 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 02:54 PM »

Oulton Broad bridge is third.

That makes LT 4 YH 3

AW YH 1 is the only real tunnel that I know of..


Has anyone photos of this one, a great feat of engineering, you need a bicycle to view it in full...

Prof, consulting engineer for and admirer of jobs well done!

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Re: Please Help « Reply #23 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:08 PM »

Please explain how one tunnel at Oulton Broad and two by Lowestoft bridge make   LT  --  4
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Re: Please Help « Reply #24 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:10 PM »

one next to OB road bridge?
where abouts?
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Re: Please Help « Reply #25 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:14 PM »

When a duct makes a tunnel I'll revise my figure to LT 6 YH 8. WTN 4


AW is the only real tunnel AW-YH1 as you can walk thro it in fresh air.

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Re: Please Help « Reply #26 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:19 PM »

Ok so I is thick please what is the all the letters meant to stand for?

AW as far as I am aware = Anglia Water but I may be on the wrong track.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #27 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:21 PM »

When a duct makes a tunnel I'll revise my figure to LT 6 YH 8. WTN 4


AW is the only real tunnel AW-YH1 as you can walk thro it in fresh air.

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I know of 3 tunnels in LT and 3 in YH.



All sounds a bit like gobbledegook to me.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #28 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:22 PM »



 but I may be on the wrong track.

Nah! You are in the wrong tunnel.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #29 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:22 PM »

The Anglian Water tunnel next to the bascule bridge can be walked through. Although for H&S reasons you have to have forced air ventilation or confined space equipment when accessing it.

Prof, where is the tunnel by the OB bridge?
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Re: Please Help « Reply #30 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:40 PM »

As a PROF Engineer I will not put details on an open website.

There may be some nutters who would want to have that knowledge of entry/exit tunnels.

I for one will not disclose any details

Please respect the end of this topic.

Thank you

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Re: Please Help « Reply #31 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:47 PM »

That is just a complete cop-out.
There isn't one in O.B., is there?
As a "PROF" engineer why were you discussing it in the first place then?
How do two in Lowestoft and one in O.Broad make four?
Now they may be ducts, and not tunnels?
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Re: Please Help « Reply #32 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 03:54 PM »

You wont get an answer from me freelance

This topic is closed.

My PMail is open 24/7 for security engineering questions/ solutions.

This topic is closed.

sorry mate

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Re: Please Help « Reply #33 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:05 PM »

You wont get an answer from me freelance

This topic is closed.

This topic is closed.


Prof

You may be unwilling or unable to reply, but it is a bit magnanimous to think that it is up to you to close topics.
Perhaps you meant that you didn't want to take any further part.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #34 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:09 PM »

FL

get a life

or swallow a dictionary

with respect

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Re: Please Help « Reply #35 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:10 PM »

You wont get an answer from me freelance

This topic is closed.

My PMail is open 24/7 for security engineering questions/ solutions.

This topic is closed.

sorry mate

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Why? Huh If you are worried about intruders it shows that security measures need to be improved. charming language prof  Roll Eyes
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Re: Please Help « Reply #36 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:12 PM »

Why? Huh If you are worried about intruders it shows that security measures need to be improved. charming language prof  Roll Eyes

Maybe

Best security is not talking about it!!

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Re: Please Help « Reply #37 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:15 PM »

It cannot possibly be a terrorist threat to tell us how two tunnels in Lowestoft and one in Oulton Broad equal four tunnels.
Cop out!
Strange to be unpleasant and then say "with respect".
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Re: Please Help « Reply #38 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:24 PM »

There are 14 utility crossings that I know of in LT, some tunnelled some sub-ducted.

LT14 YH12 and others...

I know where all of these are and there is no way I'm going to list them ( for prof reasons or be tempted) to score a point against someone who should know better!

Most towns have the same set of connections.

FL you are boring me..

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Re: Please Help « Reply #39 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:35 PM »

The feeling is mutual, I can assure you.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #40 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:43 PM »

YAWN...

FL have you any more interesting topics to talk about?

My laptop is giving me a flashing red toolbar storm surge alert for conditions in 17 days?

I'll have to click on it and check this out..

Eeek

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Re: Please Help « Reply #41 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 04:56 PM »

If there is one in OB then it isn't next to or connected with the bridge or anywhere beneath the broad itself AFAIK.

And I can hardly believe there are security-sensitive tunnels in Lowestoft. They are all utility tunnels which aren't "secret" and all info is in the public domain.
Maybe Prof is playing spies today.  Cool and wants an air of mystery about him.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #42 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 05:06 PM »

OB has the very secret Mr Benn tele-transporter module where you can step in and be in Norwich.

Dont tell me you haven;t used it

It's quick but it works

The quantum worm hole may bring train barriers down yet it equalizes out

2 million m/s

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Re: Please Help « Reply #43 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 06:41 PM »

Blimey I must be normal, havent a clue what you lot of egg heads are talking about
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Re: Please Help « Reply #44 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 06:46 PM »

I think it is something to do with pipes under the river
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Re: Please Help « Reply #45 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 06:47 PM »

Cor thats interesting
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Re: Please Help « Reply #46 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 06:53 PM »

Just been reading all the postings on this subject of tunnels and became interested when I read St Margaret's church until I realized it wasn't Pakefield church.
During my childhood days I was made aware of the existence of a tunnel from Pakefield church which was rumoured to lead to a house located in Florence Road.

Other tunnels which during my childhood (and Michael Foreman's)were our playground used to be located up near the rifle range where hide and seek could be played out for hours on end. These tunnels,I believe were the property of the MOD.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #47 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 07:26 PM »

There must be several ducts/tunnels for all the gas/elect/water/sewage/tele ect. If some one wants to bring Lowestoft to a stand still there is no need to blow up one of these tunnels, just hire a boat and get the bridge opened.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #48 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 07:29 PM »

If its such a security risk why bring the subject up in the first place better to say nothing than start something off and say but I can't (or wont) say more. I couldnt care if theres a rabbit warren under Lowestoft
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Re: Please Help « Reply #49 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 07:32 PM »

There must be several ducts/tunnels for all the gas/elect/water/sewage/tele ect. If some one wants to bring Lowestoft to a stand still there is no need to blow up one of these tunnels, just hire a boat and get the bridge opened.

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Re: Please Help « Reply #50 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 07:40 PM »

oh dear fl is the one person who did swallow dictonary (sure hell not me)lost plot here but apart from cefas what an earth want dig tunnel in lowestoft unless it to escape
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Re: Please Help « Reply #51 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 07:41 PM »

Honeycomb under town makes it interesting we could all run round like gerbils might be another sub culture living under there
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Re: Please Help « Reply #52 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:02 PM »

It is possibly the "sub culture" that our H H gets to see stood under his lamp post  Grin
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Re: Please Help « Reply #53 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:12 PM »

If one goes under the bridge i will be the first to go down to avoid the queues! evil6
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Re: Please Help « Reply #54 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:17 PM »

Well if it gets any more publicity there will be longer queues for that route than there are for the bridge  icon_scratch
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Re: Please Help « Reply #55 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:18 PM »

There is a tunnel under bascule

Perhaps WDC (as owners) are missing a trick on this one.

Seriously for H&S and hard hats its not feasible

Nice idea though

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Re: Please Help « Reply #56 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:25 PM »

I have CST and have required equipment so can I get a look?
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Re: Please Help « Reply #57 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:37 PM »

It's owned by Anglian Water actually. It's a fascinating tunnel Nikkai, made from cast iron segments bolted together, (if you're into construction techniques) and around 9ft diameter.
They don't allow public access though as it's their highest category confined space.
In fact it's quite an exercise to access it.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #58 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:43 PM »

No fear on the CS had to undertake CST (confined space training) in a space where SDBA can not be worn but had to be handled in and out of holes that were just large enough to get me through and with just about zero light.
It is a wonder the body can do what it is asked of in some situations.

Even though I am happy in a CS I would never undertake potholing

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Re: Please Help « Reply #59 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 09:46 PM »

Anglia water uses the tunnel

It went to court years ago and the verdict was nobody is in charge of it

Nobody wants to own it
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Re: Please Help « Reply #60 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:03 PM »

Saying that

WDC sent detailed photographs to all utilities to rebuild the ironwork, I represented 2 big companies on the project and WDC were lead partners and carried out the refurb project.

Nobody may want to own it. WDC SCC and highways will take due diligence on the old bascule tunnel.

AW-YH1 is the tunnel u ought to try and visit Its HUGE!!! (you will need a bicycle)
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Re: Please Help « Reply #61 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:13 PM »

AW YH! to youuhoo too wave
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Re: Please Help « Reply #62 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:16 PM »

Saying that

WDC sent detailed photographs to all utilities to rebuild the ironwork, I represented 2 big companies on the project and WDC were lead partners and carried out the refurb project.

Nobody may want to own it. WDC SCC and highways will take due diligence on the old bascule tunnel.

AW-YH1 is the tunnel u ought to try and visit Its HUGE!!! (you will need a bicycle)

Are you talking about the refurb carried out in about 1997?
If you are, I was project engineer for the scheme. It was lead and managed by WDC, but on behalf of Anglian Water.
I was a drainage engineer for WDC at the time, carrying out AW's capital and maintenance contracts.
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Re: Please Help « Reply #63 Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:28 PM »

I only had an overview of the project

You will know what a collapsed mess it was in 1997

As a consulting engineer for many Cos my interest was only on client safety and protection of any vested assets,,

This is a Medium to high risk tunnel..



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Re: Please Help « Reply #64 Posted: 08 December 2009 at 10:17 AM »

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AW-YH1 is the tunnel u ought to try and visit Its HUGE!!! (you will need a bicycle)

Sorry, stumbled across this topic kind of by accident, as I was googling for tunnels in Lowestoft (my home town) which my Grandad told me about, but he can't really remember too much.

Anyway, i'm interested because of this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=210&t=779999&mid=73206&i=0&nmt=Cool%20pics%20of%20urban%20exploring,%20abandoned%20machines%20and%20stuff%20&mid=73206

I won't be telling anyone where i'm off to!

Nice to hear about these other tunnels though, won't be going anywhere where I need breathing aids <yikes>
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Re: Please Help « Reply #65 Posted: 08 December 2009 at 03:57 PM »

Didn't the pirates leave a few tunnels with some bootie in them.
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