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19th Century Lowestoft « Posted: 11 September 2009 at 08:42 AM »

There are some interesting drawings HERE of 19th Century Lowestoft for which you need to scroll across as opposed to up and down! I particularly love the lighthouse drawings that depict the old beach village houses below, it was certainly a much more interesting time! Smiley
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #1 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 09:10 AM »

Very interesting set of pictures, well discovered, Gary, & thanks for posting.

I've often wondered what Lowestoft looked like at the time of those pictures.  Scetches of that era aren't often seen, more's the pity. 

One view I would be interested in would be of what is now the bridge area of Lowestoft before the bridge was actually built, (that's the Harbour bridge).

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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #2 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 09:37 AM »

I don't recall ever seeing any pictures of Lowestoft before the swing bridge not even in books, but I am sure there must be some .... somewhere?  Huh Smiley
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #3 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 11:14 AM »

What great pics. Thanks Gary!

I wonder if the 2nd pic is of a real local sea rescue?
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #4 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 11:49 AM »

Looking at the drawing it's fair to say that this could well be the case as the detail is very realistic, almost as though it was drawn from a news event of the time perhaps!
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #5 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 12:39 PM »

Looking at the drawing it's fair to say that this could well be the case as the detail is very realistic, almost as though it was drawn from a news event of the time perhaps!

Yes. And what an heroic effort they're all putting in.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #6 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 03:35 PM »

Lovely little set of pics Gary St Johns was a lovely church how they could have pulled it down I'll never know and the royal hotel is where we older babes spent our rocking days
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #7 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 03:50 PM »

Yes it's a real shame that a lot of our historic buildings were lost and St. John's Church was quite a significant building architecturally. There was a lot of damage to the building caused by the weather and much of this was attributed to the floods of 1953. However, I am sure that if such a decision were to be made today, then this building like many others would have been saved.

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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #8 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 07:44 PM »

Absolutely loved those old pictures-just spent ages trolling through Suffolk and Oxfordshire. Thanks for the link
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #9 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 09:09 PM »

Great set of drawings of the town, two pictures I can't figure out where they are/were,  St. Peter's Chapel and The Grove.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #10 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 09:57 PM »

No I didnt know those two either would St Peters chapel be at Carlton Colville
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #11 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 10:02 PM »

There was a St Peter's Church at the top of Alexandra Road and St.Peter's street but don't know if this is the same.My brother was married at St.Peters and I took my confirmation lessons there.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #12 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 11:25 PM »

St Peters was demolished Meg. Its now a flats for the elderly.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #13 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 11:27 PM »

Malcolm,I knew that.It was demolished years ago.I just wondered if it could have been named St Peter's chapel at one time.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #14 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 11:33 PM »

Sorry Meg i knew it was a long time ago as i dont remember it. Do you you know when it was demolished? The flats look quite recent.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #15 Posted: 11 September 2009 at 11:38 PM »

It was declared redundant in 1974 so sometime after that it was demolished.I always wondered what they did with the high altars,the lecterns etc when they tore down a church-like St Johns and St Peters?
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #16 Posted: 12 September 2009 at 07:14 AM »

I think that the Grove estate was the area that included Tuttles up as far as Grove Rd. St Peters Chapel I THINK was the church on St Peters Street.  I would have to look this up to be certain but I think I'm correct.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #17 Posted: 12 September 2009 at 10:47 AM »

Meg i do know one of the screens is in Wymondham Abbey, wrongly labelled as waiting to be installed in the proposed new St Peters church in Lowestoft.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #18 Posted: 12 September 2009 at 11:13 AM »

I have read that virtually all that remains of St. John's Church is the grand organ which is now installed at St. Andrews Church in Church Road, Gorleston.

The glass from the church at St. Peter's (atop Tennyson Road and Alexandra Road) was reset in St. Margaret's, the organ went to Christ Church at the bottom of Herring Fishery Score.


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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #19 Posted: 12 September 2009 at 12:54 PM »

Thanks everyone for your input.We have some great people on here helping with answers to what we want to know.Thanks again.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #20 Posted: 12 September 2009 at 01:10 PM »

St Peter’s Church – was, according to this ‘Suffolk Churches’ website Link: “It was built (in 1833) as a chapel of ease to St Margaret, the Borough parish church.” From the Oxford English Dictionary: "chapel of ease: a chapel built for the convenience of parishioners who live far from the parish church."
 
When I was a choirboy there (many years ago!) it was always referred to as St Peter’s Church, as opposed to St. Peter’s Chapel.

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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #21 Posted: 12 September 2009 at 04:16 PM »

Thanks Trigger that link was very interesting.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #22 Posted: 13 September 2009 at 01:15 PM »

From the archives, I have a found a little more information about The Grove Estate. Smiley

To the north of the harbour, the townscape was dominated by the privately-owned Grove Estate and St Margaret’s Villa Estate, situated to the east of London Road North opposite the railway station. Each comprised a large house set within extensive gardens, with the western boundary of these fronting onto London Road North and giving the road a gentrified, picturesque feel.

The Grove Estate was sold following the death of its owner in 1884, with St Margaret’s Villa Estate also sold at a similar date. Development of this land was extremely rapid with the construction of commercial and residential properties across the entire site by 1905.

One of the first buildings constructed on the former Grove Estate was Ebenezer Tuttle’s Bon Marche department store on the corner of Suffolk Road in 1888, followed in 1891 by the Turret Buildings (later known as Tuttle’s Corner) which was designed by Thomas Porter for Frederick Savage. It comprised three separate residences with shops on the ground floor and became a popular landmark within the town.
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #23 Posted: 13 September 2009 at 01:39 PM »

St Peter’s Church – was, according to this ‘Suffolk Churches’ website Link: “It was built (in 1833) as a chapel of ease to St Margaret, the Borough parish church.” From the Oxford English Dictionary: "chapel of ease: a chapel built for the convenience of parishioners who live far from the parish church."
 
When I was a choirboy there (many years ago!) it was always referred to as St Peter’s Church, as opposed to St. Peter’s Chapel.

I agree John I always knew it as St. Peter's Church. However the drawing on the Motco database refers to it as St. Peter's Chapel and it is definitely the same building, so I guess it was once referred to as St. Peter's Chapel. Now I am just wondering if there would be any pictures remaining of you as a choirboy?  Grin
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #24 Posted: 13 September 2009 at 02:04 PM »

From the archives, I have a found a little more information about The Grove Estate. Smiley

To the north of the harbour, the townscape was dominated by the privately-owned Grove Estate and St Margaret’s Villa Estate, situated to the east of London Road North opposite the railway station. Each comprised a large house set within extensive gardens, with the western boundary of these fronting onto London Road North and giving the road a gentrified, picturesque feel.

The Grove Estate was sold following the death of its owner in 1884, with St Margaret’s Villa Estate also sold at a similar date. Development of this land was extremely rapid with the construction of commercial and residential properties across the entire site by 1905.

One of the first buildings constructed on the former Grove Estate was Ebenezer Tuttle’s Bon Marche department store on the corner of Suffolk Road in 1888, followed in 1891 by the Turret Buildings (later known as Tuttle’s Corner) which was designed by Thomas Porter for Frederick Savage. It comprised three separate residences with shops on the ground floor and became a popular landmark within the town.


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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #25 Posted: 13 September 2009 at 02:13 PM »

Meryl well done, your supposed to go dah diddy dah dah
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #26 Posted: 13 September 2009 at 04:26 PM »

I agree John I always knew it as St. Peter's Church. However the drawing on the Motco database refers to it as St. Peter's Chapel and it is definitely the same building, so I guess it was once referred to as St. Peter's Chapel. Now I am just wondering if there would be any pictures remaining of you as a choirboy?  Grin

I concur with your thoughts – only adding that it (St Peter’s) was officially termed “chapel” – built as a chapel-of-ease to St Margaret’s in 1833 (the year I joined the choir!).  So somewhere along the line it became known as a “church” rather than “chapel”.  That raises another question – what’s the difference between a “church” and a “chapel”?  I always tend to think of chapel – in the “Chapel in the Valley” context - which is at odds with a building the size of St Peter's.  It’s also worth remembering that the street immediately opposite St Peter’s Church (running north) was Chapel Street.

A photo of me as a Choir Boy? Regrettably no (phew!).  It was only after I’d left the choir at 14 (due to the inevitable reason for boys leaving the choir at around that age!) that my Mother bemoaned the fact she didn’t have a picture of me clad in Cassock and Surplice with hymn book in hand, and I regret that too.

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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #27 Posted: 13 September 2009 at 08:17 PM »

I'd be interested to know the difference between a Church and a Chapel as my parents' United Reformed Church sits in Chapel Lane, was indeed built as a Chapel but is now referred to as a Church.  Maybe it is a denominational difference somewhere? 

 
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #28 Posted: 13 September 2009 at 09:19 PM »

This is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says about it...

"Chapel" is a very broad term, and can apply to anything from a section of a much larger church or cathedral, to small buildings. The word itself is associated with the idea of relics, since it is drawn from the idea that St. Martin divided his cape (chapelle) in half and left half with a beggar.

"Church" is a word that covers pretty much everything given above... generally any building set aside "in perpetuity for the public exercise of Divine worship."
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #29 Posted: 15 September 2009 at 04:57 AM »

dictionary.com gives (amongs other definitions):

“A place of worship that is smaller than and subordinate to a church.”

“(in Great Britain) a place of worship for members of various dissenting Protestant churches, as Baptists or Methodists.”

I think the first sums up St. Peter's Church. 



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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #30 Posted: 19 September 2009 at 01:28 PM »

This is an extract from the The British Medical Journal for an offer of employment, dated 16 May 1885. I was unsuccessful in my application! Grin


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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #31 Posted: 19 September 2009 at 04:28 PM »

Gary - have you had to wait that long for a reply to your original application?



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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #32 Posted: 19 September 2009 at 04:29 PM »

I see the wages havent changed ( wish there was a smiley with tongue in cheek) bet you'll find one Gary
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Re: 19th Century Lowestoft « Reply #33 Posted: 28 August 2010 at 06:09 PM »

Perhaps you may be interested in the www.lucasbrothers.co.uk web site.
They worked for Samuel Morton Peto and built most of south Lowestoft as well as the railway station and Somerleyton Hall and model village.
I was in Lowestoft a couple of weeks ago and left a folder of their works at the public record office and the photographs are on the site, although the weather wasn't wonderful.
I would love to hear from anyone who'se relations may have worked for them at their works in the inner harbour where Asda is now.
Also I am searching for a commemorative jug given to Lucas brothers workers who formed the 17th Suffolk Rifle Volunteers in 1865..... I went to all the antique shops but drew a blank!
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